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  Paul Purcell posted in Keep the shuttle flying .       Paul Purcell September 29 at 4:49am   We are going to require more assets in space to achieve our goals. A Lunar orbiting platform has been suggested to be one such structure. It has been proposed that a construction methodology like that of the skylab would be an excellent choice.. We have seen the space shuttle with it's external fuel tank reach orbit.. The Space Launch System is built from space shuttle legacy designs and components.. There has been much speculation about using the shuttles external fuel tanks for various structures in space.. So I'm curious about what size of a module can we get to orbit. I propose a design from the SLS that would make use of the exhausted fuel tank of perhaps the second stage if not the first stage.. One launch would give us a hermetic structure in space with adequate internal volume to house the necessary equipment for an orbiting station for the Moon, Earth, Mars, Venus, Europa... If the goal of the design was to put the largest module in orbit.. One that would provide enough volume for crew and equipment which would follow on successive launches.. We could design the rocket in a way that we could access the exhausted fuel tanks and make use of that internal volume for working space for the station.. In a way I'm proposing a flying gas tank.. Then once it reaches orbit we make use of the empty tank for accommodating the required crew and equipment.. How large of a craft could we get to space? I would infer a very large vessel.. It would not surprise me if there are already dozens of concept designs for this kind of thing floating around out there.. Pun intended.. What are your thoughts people?.. http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/index.html The development of practical technologies like these will find many terrestrial uses and make possible far more space exploration and the construction of space infrastructure.. http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/iriss/Supervising_two_rovers_from_space The IRISS Mission Homepage... The data this mission yields for telerobotic research will be of great value.. http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/iriss The ability to mine ore, process it and fabricate a component or structure all in space will be a significant leap forward to our space exploration aspirations..These technologies developed by NASA would have a direct stimulus on industry here on Earth.. Every dollar spent on spaceflight returns more than 12 to the economy.. A space station where 95% of the mass of the structure was sourced and fabricated in space would be the best way to reduce launch costs.. The mastering of these practices will bring us a vibrant and burgeoning space exploration program and provide many other industries here on Earth with advanced technologies that would make them far more competitive in the global markets.... http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2015/successful-nasa-rocket-fuel-pump-tests-pave-way-for-3-d-printed-demonstrator-engine.html Informative video!... The ESA - European Space Agency's research in Telerobotics is key to paving the way to an ambitious space exploration agenda.. Telerobotics will give astronaut explorers the ability to so much more... Astronauts could operate these robotic systems to do a myriad of tasks from a distant location or even from orbit.. Operating robotic systems on the surface of distant worlds from orbit is a much less expensive, simpler and safer way of exploration.. Telerobotics will without a doubt find many other uses in various industries where there value will be proven... http://www.esa.int/spaceinvideos/Videos/2015/03/ESA_Telerobotics_Part_1_-_Haptics ESA's Telerobotics and Haptics Lab The ESA Telerobotics & Haptics Laboratory is an engineering research laboratory that performs fundamental research in the domains of telerobotics, mechatronics, haptics and human-robot interaction. The Laboratory output is targeted at supporting novel spaceflight projects by pre-development and demonstration of critical technologies. http://esa-telerobotics.net/ Additive manufacturing has the potential to positively affect human spaceflight operations by enabling the in-orbit manufacture of replacement parts and tools, which could reduce existing logistics requirements for the International Space Station and future long-duration human space missions. http://www.nap.edu/catalog/18871/3d-printing-in-space The full NexGen study demonstrating economic gains to mining on the Moon. A commercial lunar base providing propellant in lunar orbit will substantially reduce the cost and risk NASA of sending humans to Mars. The ELA would reduce the number of required Space Launch System (SLS) launches from as many as 12 to a total of only 3, thereby reducing SLS operational risks, and increasing its affordability.. http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/nexgen/Nexgen_Downloads/NexGen_ELA_Report_FINAL.pdf To achieve our space exploration goals we need to deal with two major problems.. The effects of 0 G on the human body and the effects of radiation on the human body.. We need a large spacecraft to facilitate artificial gravity and some form of radiation mitigation.. Modular in construction for easy adaptability for different missions with different objectives.. Transporting astronauts up and down from the Earth's surface using any of the existing spacecraft to a larger craft that stays in space.. The same construction methods and resupply methods we currently employ for missions on the International Space Station.. A streamlining and standardization of space hardware manufacturing could make for more cost effective space exploration and science.. The same components used to construct a space vessel and orbiting platforms above the Earth, the Moon, Mars, Venus, Europa etc...Streamlined manufacturing systems have furthered nearly every industry in history.. Why not spaceflight?.. Practical solutions with long term policy commitments will make a progressive path to a better future.. Remember... Every dollar invested in space exploration returns more than 12 to the economy.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/51592987/Nautilus-X-Holderman-1-26-11 The Von Karmen Lecture series discusses the various technologies that NASA is using to further science and better our lives.. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/events/lectures.php Penny for NASA "Like" this page! Lets fund agencies that inspire youth to attain high goals in science and technology that directly transfer to increased quality of life for us all! Every dollar invested in the space exploration program returns several to the economy that funded it with innovative new products, high paying science and technology jobs, further research contracts and more! Click on "See More" To check out the NASA Spinoff page that displays technologies developed by NASA that are put to use in other area's besides space flight to increase the quality of life for us all! In light of recent events... I would say an increase in NASA's budget would be a logical move.. https://www.facebook.com/PennyForNASA NASA Spinoffs This site is displays the technologies developed by NASA that have been put to use in other area's besides spaceflight that have greatly increased the quality of our everyday lives! Every dollar invested in NASA returns more than 12 to industry and the economy.. http://spinoff.nasa.gov/ This fundamental research will help pave the way for industry to be mining very valuable metals in space. Space based mining will provide vast economic gains for the industries involved and huge gains for the economy in the manufacture of equipment and high tech jobs.. Harvesting energy from space is an answer for powering our societies with clean renewable energy.. NASA's Resource Prospector aims to be the first mining expedition on another world. Using a suite of instruments to locate elements from a lunar polar region, the planned rover is designed to excavate volatiles such as hydrogen, oxygen and water from the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/resource-prospector Societies thrive when they foster education.. This is very clear.. Investments in education by individuals or governments have large returns that are both tangible and qualitative.. We need to open up all possibilities for citizens who wish to better themselves through education.. We can do this with a tiny expenditure... A web site with university programs that are free to access.. Accreditation is earned by writing a test at local libraries.. All reading material, educational video's and lectures, practice questions and assignments, Simulated labs, etc, etc.. All online free to access anytime, students start courses at any time and work at their own pace.. This can be done easily.. The value of having curriculum designed by professional educators and a system of earning accreditation accessible to everyone is certain to have untold benefits to society.. At every instance in history when more education has been made accessible to the general public the quality of life in that society has risen.. Lets make education accessible to all citizens.. http://merseamusic.blogspot.ca/2012/02/importance-of-education-in-society.html The NASA publication "Benefits for Humanity" demonstrates the value and positive effect that the research being conducted on the International Space Station has for society.. Benefits for Humanity PDF download available here.. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/benefits/index.html Mission forward architecture has served NASA and thus humanity well with the Skylab Mission.. President Nixon derails the Apollo program so the existing upper rocket stage was made into a space station.. Skylab produced some great scientific, engineering, biological and technological work... This kind of Mission forward thinking is what needs to be designed into all spaceflight equipment. If it goes up, then it stays up.. Making better use of existing launched and orbited equipment will help us achieve multiple orbital outpost around various planetary bodies.. Just by better use of what already is going up we can have orbital outposts around the Earth, the Moon, Mars, Europa.. Upper rocket stages repurposed as structures.. Service modules from spacecraft that have completed their missions could be put to use to perform the same functions to other structures in space.. Rather than using an entire spacecraft to deorbit garbage from the International Space Station keep the spacecraft in orbit to provide more station space.. Can we salvage the engines from upper stages of rockets and bring them back down for reuse?.. This kind of design concept worked into the initial designs of spaceflight equipment would serve us well.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwbLXp4CnZ4 An article outlining the science, economic drivers and logic to mining in space.. The Technical and Economic Feasibility of Mining the Near-Earth Asteroids http://www.nss.org/settlement/asteroids/sonter.html Excellent collection of video's! SpaceRip.....Space science and scientific video's https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceRip/videos Excellent Documentary! NASA's Juno space probe will travel to Jupiter to use it's suite of scientific instruments to learn about the planetary processes taking place.. By studying Jupiter's magnetic fields and to determine what the core of Jupiter is made of scientist hope to make great strides in understanding how the solar system was formed and Earths processes.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka6OERznXh4 Balloons often provide a very cost effective solution to gathering scientific data.. This mission called "Spider" will investigate the cosmic radiation background to try to answer the fundamental questions about the universes beginning... http://www.caltech.edu/content/spider-experiment-touches-down-antarctica#slides I finished reading a NASA publication in July 2014, titled "NASA Space Technology Roadmaps and Priorities".. In that publication it clearly outlines that the most significant obstacle to long duration human space flight is the exposure to R...adiation... The second largest obstacle is the effects on the human body in a 0 G or micro gravity environment.. What research is being done into these two challenges?.. Is there any thought of putting two space modules coupled by a truss rotating around a center point in orbit?.. I don't think it would be overly expensive to get some valuable data in this way... If we want to go anywhere besides the moon these are the challenges upon us.. Mitigating micro gravity and radiation exposure.. http://www.nap.edu/catalog/13354/nasa-space-technology-roadmaps-and-priorities-restoring-nasas-technological-edge NASA Innovative Advanced Concepts lecture video's.. These video's display the latest technological advances and research that is being currently reviewed at NASA.. The technologies that NASA develops most often are utilized in other area's besides space exploration to better the quality of life for all of us!.. Every dollar invested in NASA returns more than 12 to the economy... http://new.livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2015 Space Launch System www.nasa.gov NASA's Space Launch System will be safe, affordable, and sustainable, to continue America's journey ...       Like     Comment     Share    
   
 
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We are going to require more assets in space to achieve our goals. A Lunar orbiting platform has been suggested to be one such structure. It has been proposed that a construction methodology like that of the skylab would be an excellent choice.. We have seen the space shuttle with it's external fuel tank reach orbit.. The Space Launch System is built from space shuttle legacy designs and components.. There has been much speculation about using the shuttles external fuel tanks for various structures in space.. So I'm curious about what size of a module can we get to orbit. I propose a design from the SLS that would make use of the exhausted fuel tank of perhaps the second stage if not the first stage.. One launch would give us a hermetic structure in space with adequate internal volume to house the necessary equipment for an orbiting station for the Moon, Earth, Mars, Venus, Europa... If the goal of the design was to put the largest module in orbit.. One that would provide enough volume for crew and equipment which would follow on successive launches.. We could design the rocket in a way that we could access the exhausted fuel tanks and make use of that internal volume for working space for the station.. In a way I'm proposing a flying gas tank.. Then once it reaches orbit we make use of the empty tank for accommodating the required crew and equipment.. How large of a craft could we get to space? I would infer a very large vessel.. It would not surprise me if there are already dozens of concept designs for this kind of thing floating around out there.. Pun intended.. What are your thoughts people?..
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/index.html

The development of practical technologies like these will find many terrestrial uses and make possible far more space exploration and the construction of space infrastructure..
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/iriss/Supervising_two_rovers_from_space

The IRISS Mission Homepage... The data this mission yields for telerobotic research will be of great value..
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/iriss

The ability to mine ore, process it and fabricate a component or structure all in space will be a significant leap forward to our space exploration aspirations..These technologies developed by NASA would have a direct stimulus on industry here on Earth.. Every dollar spent on spaceflight returns more than 12 to the economy.. A space station where 95% of the mass of the structure was sourced and fabricated in space would be the best way to reduce launch costs.. The mastering of these practices will bring us a vibrant and burgeoning space exploration program and provide many other industries here on Earth with advanced technologies that would make them far more competitive in the global markets....
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2015/successful-nasa-rocket-fuel-pump-tests-pave-way-for-3-d-printed-demonstrator-engine.html

Informative video!...
The ESA - European Space Agency's research in Telerobotics is key to paving the way to an ambitious space exploration agenda.. Telerobotics will give astronaut explorers the ability to so much more... Astronauts could operate these robotic systems to do a myriad of tasks from a distant location or even from orbit.. Operating robotic systems on the surface of distant worlds from orbit is a much less expensive, simpler and safer way of exploration.. Telerobotics will without a doubt find many other uses in various industries where there value will be proven...
http://www.esa.int/spaceinvideos/Videos/2015/03/ESA_Telerobotics_Part_1_-_Haptics

ESA's Telerobotics and Haptics Lab
The ESA Telerobotics & Haptics Laboratory is an engineering research laboratory that performs fundamental research in the domains of telerobotics, mechatronics, haptics and human-robot interaction. The Laboratory output is targeted at supporting novel spaceflight projects by pre-development and demonstration of critical technologies.
http://esa-telerobotics.net/

Additive manufacturing has the potential to positively affect human spaceflight operations by enabling the in-orbit manufacture of replacement parts and tools, which could reduce existing logistics requirements for the International Space Station and future long-duration human space missions.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/18871/3d-printing-in-space

The full NexGen study demonstrating economic gains to mining on the Moon.
A commercial lunar base providing propellant in lunar orbit will substantially reduce the cost and risk NASA of sending humans to Mars. The ELA would reduce the number of required Space Launch System (SLS) launches from as many as 12 to a total of only 3, thereby reducing SLS operational risks, and increasing its affordability..
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/nexgen/Nexgen_Downloads/NexGen_ELA_Report_FINAL.pdf

To achieve our space exploration goals we need to deal with two major problems.. The effects of 0 G on the human body and the effects of radiation on the human body..
We need a large spacecraft to facilitate artificial gravity and some form of radiation mitigation.. Modular in construction for easy adaptability for different missions with different objectives.. Transporting astronauts up and down from the Earth's surface using any of the existing spacecraft to a larger craft that stays in space.. The same construction methods and resupply methods we currently employ for missions on the International Space Station.. A streamlining and standardization of space hardware manufacturing could make for more cost effective space exploration and science.. The same components used to construct a space vessel and orbiting platforms above the Earth, the Moon, Mars, Venus, Europa etc...Streamlined manufacturing systems have furthered nearly every industry in history.. Why not spaceflight?.. Practical solutions with long term policy commitments will make a progressive path to a better future.. Remember... Every dollar invested in space exploration returns more than 12 to the economy..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51592987/Nautilus-X-Holderman-1-26-11

The Von Karmen Lecture series discusses the various technologies that NASA is using to further science and better our lives..
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/events/lectures.php

Penny for NASA
"Like" this page! Lets fund agencies that inspire youth to attain high goals in science and technology that directly transfer to increased quality of life for us all! Every dollar invested in the space exploration program returns several to the economy that funded it with innovative new products, high paying science and technology jobs, further research contracts and more! Click on "See More" To check out the NASA Spinoff page that displays technologies developed by NASA that are put to use in other area's besides space flight to increase the quality of life for us all! In light of recent events... I would say an increase in NASA's budget would be a logical move..
https://www.facebook.com/PennyForNASA

NASA Spinoffs
This site is displays the technologies developed by NASA that have been put to use in other area's besides spaceflight that have greatly increased the quality of our everyday lives!
Every dollar invested in NASA returns more than 12 to industry and the economy..
http://spinoff.nasa.gov/

This fundamental research will help pave the way for industry to be mining very valuable metals in space. Space based mining will provide vast economic gains for the industries involved and huge gains for the economy in the manufacture of equipment and high tech jobs.. Harvesting energy from space is an answer for powering our societies with clean renewable energy..
NASA's Resource Prospector aims to be the first mining expedition on another world. Using a suite of instruments to locate elements from a lunar polar region, the planned rover is designed to excavate volatiles such as hydrogen, oxygen and water from the moon.
http://www.nasa.gov/resource-prospector

Societies thrive when they foster education.. This is very clear.. Investments in education by individuals or governments have large returns that are both tangible and qualitative..
We need to open up all possibilities for citizens who wish to better themselves through education.. We can do this with a tiny expenditure...
A web site with university programs that are free to access.. Accreditation is earned by writing a test at local libraries.. All reading material, educational video's and lectures, practice questions and assignments, Simulated labs, etc, etc.. All online free to access anytime, students start courses at any time and work at their own pace.. This can be done easily.. The value of having curriculum designed by professional educators and a system of earning accreditation accessible to everyone is certain to have untold benefits to society.. At every instance in history when more education has been made accessible to the general public the quality of life in that society has risen.. Lets make education accessible to all citizens..
http://merseamusic.blogspot.ca/2012/02/importance-of-education-in-society.html

The NASA publication "Benefits for Humanity" demonstrates the value and positive effect that the research being conducted on the International Space Station has for society..
Benefits for Humanity PDF download available here..
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/benefits/index.html

Mission forward architecture has served NASA and thus humanity well with the Skylab Mission.. President Nixon derails the Apollo program so the existing upper rocket stage was made into a space station.. Skylab produced some great scientific, engineering, biological and technological work...
This kind of Mission forward thinking is what needs to be designed into all spaceflight equipment.
If it goes up, then it stays up..
Making better use of existing launched and orbited equipment will help us achieve multiple orbital outpost around various planetary bodies.. Just by better use of what already is going up we can have orbital outposts around the Earth, the Moon, Mars, Europa..
Upper rocket stages repurposed as structures.. Service modules from spacecraft that have completed their missions could be put to use to perform the same functions to other structures in space.. Rather than using an entire spacecraft to deorbit garbage from the International Space Station keep the spacecraft in orbit to provide more station space.. Can we salvage the engines from upper stages of rockets and bring them back down for reuse?.. This kind of design concept worked into the initial designs of spaceflight equipment would serve us well..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwbLXp4CnZ4

An article outlining the science, economic drivers and logic to mining in space..
The Technical and Economic Feasibility of Mining the Near-Earth Asteroids
http://www.nss.org/settlement/asteroids/sonter.html

Excellent collection of video's!
SpaceRip.....Space science and scientific video's
https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceRip/videos

Excellent Documentary! NASA's Juno space probe will travel to Jupiter to use it's suite of scientific instruments to learn about the planetary processes taking place.. By studying Jupiter's magnetic fields and to determine what the core of Jupiter is made of scientist hope to make great strides in understanding how the solar system was formed and Earths processes..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka6OERznXh4

Balloons often provide a very cost effective solution to gathering scientific data..
This mission called "Spider" will investigate the cosmic radiation background to try to answer the fundamental questions about the universes beginning...
http://www.caltech.edu/content/spider-experiment-touches-down-antarctica#slides

I finished reading a NASA publication in July 2014, titled "NASA Space Technology Roadmaps and Priorities".. In that publication it clearly outlines that the most significant obstacle to long duration human space flight is the exposure to R...adiation... The second largest obstacle is the effects on the human body in a 0 G or micro gravity environment.. What research is being done into these two challenges?.. Is there any thought of putting two space modules coupled by a truss rotating around a center point in orbit?.. I don't think it would be overly expensive to get some valuable data in this way... If we want to go anywhere besides the moon these are the challenges upon us.. Mitigating micro gravity and radiation exposure..
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/13354/nasa-space-technology-roadmaps-and-priorities-restoring-nasas-technological-edge

NASA Innovative Advanced Concepts lecture video's.. These video's display the latest technological advances and research that is being currently reviewed at NASA.. The technologies that NASA develops most often are utilized in other area's besides space exploration to better the quality of life for all of us!.. Every dollar invested in NASA returns more than 12 to the economy...
http://new.livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2015
Space Launch System
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NASA's Space Launch System will be safe, affordable, and sustainable, to continue America's journey ...
 
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